It's lovely how you can square the playerbase in such precise brackets:

I am looking at an overall view of the point that was made. Irrespective of where a person comes from, whetehr they have or have not played the game, my expectaion would be that they were hired based upon their ability and their merit as a developer.

You are making an assumption that just because a person plays in high se, they have no care factor or knowledge that would make them a good developer. Yes i agree with you that having played the game, you would understand the pain points, but i would also expect that they would look for feed back even if they didn't.

It's a Dinsdale thread, mate. No one here is being serious but him. And the running theory is that he's a Goon alt for trolling anyway.

And it's scales, not fur. Much easier to keep clean, especially when I spill icecream on my supposed neckbeard.

Typical tactics. Null sec cartel propagandists want the thread closed, so they hotdrop their thread derailers.
ISD locking thread in 3....2....1.

@Tippia:

Your evasive reply and refusal to address key facts and ramifications is now sufficient to concern me that there are indeed vested interests in these proposed changes and that all attempts to objectively discuss the actual issues will be deliberately stonewalled and sabotaged.

I will express my dissent by withdrawing from this discussion. Have it "your" way.

Welcome to the "new" and CAOD-ized GD, where a squadron of group-thinkers holds a firm grasp on everything that moves.

Is anyone else laughing like crazy seeing Grath say something like this? Especially in light of the carrier/drone assist discussions over the last few months.

Sorry

Not just high sec mission running - any non-megaBLOC nullsec groups are screwed too.

The proposed changes to reprocessing modules is a massive kick in the nuts for Hub Zero, in one change to the game CCP have cut our mineral production by close to 50%. This means that we become a lot more inefficient at building ships then we were before and it was not exactly fast before hand. The method of belt ratting, salvaging and looting was at the lower end of income generation in null, however it enabled you to be a lot harder to kill if you use our strategies and tactics.


This just might be a slobbing the nullsec blob knob move.

I ragequitted your incessant and repetitive stupidity which forced me to address you when I have no wish to even recognise that you exist. I asked you to stop pestering me, but like the bitchey persona you are, you just don't know when to stop.

I didn't want the last word except as to say "I no longer wish to discuss this matter with you".
I already stated that he can have it his way as far as I was concerned, and my only interest is disengaging from the discussion.

But this is one of those ****s that continues shouting at your back even as you attempt to walk away.

Care to explain how that is?

and with dinsdale hes a well known plebian. Id be very surprised if someone that states some of the things he states would involve anything other than a broom. And insulting his is generally expected

You are aware tho, that there are players playing the profession of a Looter/Salvager, following mission runners, ratters or anom runners?
Funnily enough, afaik a lot of nullsec newbies do that, so I don't exactly get Dinsdale's GrrGoons here.

Those same reasons are no longer pertinent or profitable.

A) Because the 425mm situation will no longer exist.
B) The reduction in efficiency means all (both player and loot derived) non-ice/ore refinable items have their base value reduced.
C) There will be less trash for reprocessing on the market, cos fewer will bother bringing it in from wrecks.
D) The margins of reprocessors drop below sustainability as the low amount of available purchaseable materials drops, and their own refining efficiency is now lower as well.

These are the repercussions. These are the concrete results.

Only an idiot/****** would choose to skill into non-ice/ore refining and a market devoid of materials for reprocessing for profit and at a reduced efficiency with no means to improve it, when they can instead use the same time to skill into ice/ore refining and into a market filled with materials.

There will be only a fraction of loot brought in that is now. The margins for re-processors will be so small and elusive that it will become all but extinct.

Speculation. Citation needed.

Just complaining that CCP seems content on killing newbie friendly professions. But hey **** new players right.

They have been saying they will get around to it for years. Just another tater from CCP to be honest, Rise will quit eventually and the next guy who thinks he is hot **** will take the wheel and lead us back through another cyclical ship and weapon rebalance.

And the ships have never been done they have been rebalancing ships for years. Meta issues have been around for years. Do you not think it is much quicker and easier to say hey ALL the T2 stuff should function better than the Meta 4 stuff. They started tweaking some things, stopped, went on to something else, stopped.

Its a clusterfuck of unfocused changes for the sake of changes.

Case in point.

2013 Lets buff drone use and damps.
OOOPS
2014 Lets nerf drone use and damps.

Maybe we can get by adding .01 mass to the Caracal in 1.3 and call it a balance pass. Ya we did cruisers in late 2012 maybe no one will notice though.

Meta 1-3 are balanced to Meta 4 though. They have never been a problem.

Shaddup!
Those guys like in NPC null sec (where I still have a some of my stuff by the way).

You don't undestand the game, as they say you know NOTHING about EvE.

Come on guy. Ive argued with walls who are more consistent than you.

By whose standards? Yours?

And who gives a **** what he does with his time? Do you pay his sub?

Yes it is.

Yes, yes. Fine. That should teach me to re-use existing quote tags rather than insert my own.

I am sorry, I don't value group-thinks, I don't value being all on the same boat, I am all about diversity and complete freedom.
If you don't value who has a different opinion than yours, then I am sorry, I value MORE those with a different opinion than those who have the same.

I don't found my opinions on anyone elses nor on anyone not elses.

I found them on my ideas which might be impopular but I don't lose a sleep over that.

Has this whole thread been a bunch of tears over much need balance and highsec nerfs?

Yeah, who needs proof when you can make vague insinuations that you never have to back up with facts? That's the best part of conspiracy theories, silly Benny.

You have not proven that it is possible. Therefore there is no onus to disprove what you could not, and have not, proven to begin with.

Well lets be real here. Ofc info is being leaked and ofc people are leveraging change towards their own interests.

I have no issue with the CSM system. Nor with info being leaked or interests being leveraged.
CSM is afterall merely an advisory counsel, no actual authority or power. Having said that, insider info exploitaiton is the bigger risk than "influencing" CCP. Its arbitrary whether anyone can sway CCP. But the insider info is always extremely valuable.

It is important to remember the very small % of the player base that has actually voted for them.
Representation is proportional to how many votes they get, and since the overwhelming majority of players have not voted for them, they cannot be said to represent the interests of those who have not voted for them (ie: the overwhelming majority of the EVE player base).

If it was up to me, Id disband the CSM in any term where less than 50-51% of the player base has voted.
Thats not up to me, and since CSM have no direct power or authority, its not as important.

But it cannot be said that they represent the majority interests of players, even combined throughout the entire panel.
Thats just a cold hard fact. And it would be naive to think insider info is not leveraged for personal interests, or that counsel to CCP would not be motivated by self interest. No tinfoil hat required on that one and as I said, claiming otherwise is infact tinfoil hattery in and of itself.

This claim was made by her here:


She has not proven this to be true.

That's just splitting hairs, literally.

By nerfing my reprocessing gains, CCP is driving me towards a very restricted type of "optimal" mission grinding where things like ISK / hour are important.

I suspect that this will make the game less enjoyable for me.

When the high sec POCO's came out, I could not be arsed enough to determine if the alliance that owned the POCOs in my local space were deserving of my tax money, so I stopped doing PI. (And I was certainly not going to fund undeserving people, giving taxes to NPCs and giving taxes to PCs are completely different things in my books).

That made the game narrower for me.

Now, I am being boxed in my mission and industrial play style and I fear for my enjoyment.

Sure, an outpost costs tens of billions of ISK to set up and upgrade, almost as much as a single titan. The advantage that outpost has in refining efficiency will pay for the entire outpost in a few months of reprocessing. So you can stop crying your crocodile tears right there. Nevermind that outposts can't be destroyed so you'll never actually lose the materials you leave behind when someone captures it (just capture it back, or stay in the outpost so you can ship stuff out). Capturing back an outpost is a whole lot easier than taking back a POS that has been destroyed.

A destructible outpost is still a lower risk investment than a POS. More hit points to start with, and you'll be facing bigger fleets since outposts are more important to everyone in the alliance.

Outposts already have more value than a POS due to material logistics. When CCP gets around to rebalancing manufacturing lines, you'll see outposts becoming even more valuable simply because you have so much more storage capacity than a POS. Outposts don't need an advantage in game mechanics to support their value. They're already worth everything alliances pay for them, otherwise alliances wouldn't build them.

Same way they have killed pvp in every single other MMO that added them. If you want arena pvp you go play one of those other countless MMOs that has it.

We could easily see mineral prices fall. Null gains nearly 20% extra reprocessing for the same Ore. So it's actually profitable for them to buy ore in highsec, compress, ship to null, refine, then ship back to high sec.